Showing posts with label Census. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Census. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 5, 2015

1900 Census for Juan and Fortunata Zamora - San Antonio, Texas

1900 Census for Juan Zamora - San Antonio, Texas

This Census for San Antonio, Texas from 1900 tells a lot about some of the members of the Delgado and Zamora families which can be found on this site.  First of all, we see Juan Zamora (spelled on this particular census "Samora") living, with his family, at 401 South Concho.

Samora, Juan - head
"    Fortunato - wife (note the misspelling of Fortunata's name)
"    Maria - daughter
"    Manuel - son
"    Julio - son
"    Santos - son
"    Feliberto - son
"    Encarnacion - son

We can see each of their race, sex, birth month and year as well as their age.  We can see that Juan and Fortuanta have been married 12 years by this time, which gives us an approximate marriage year of 1888.  We can see that Fortunata has had 7 children, but that only 6 of them are living.  We can see everyone is from Mexico, as well as their parents and that Juan and Fortunata came to the United States in 1899 and have therefore only been living in San Antonio for about a year.  He's working as a laborer, there is no job listed for Fortunata, which was common for the time, and the kids of school age are in school.  We can also see that none of them can read, write, or speak English.  Now, this could mean they couldn't read or write, period, but it could also mean that they could not read or write English.  We can also see that they rent their house.

Now, that could be the end of the information we are able to take from this particular document, but we must not overlook the other people who appear to be living at the same location.  Below Encarnacion's name are:

De la Cerda, Micaya - boarder - F - 66
Delgado, Francisca - servant - F - 22

If this was the first time we'd seen these names, we would probably be pretty confused as to why the Zamora family has taken in a 66-year-old woman to live with them.  Further research, however, tells us that, though the given name is mispelled, "Micaya" is in fact, Fortuanta's mother, Micaela Cerda (her maiden name) and Francisca Delgado is Fortunata's sister.  Why they are listed as a boarder and a servant are anyone's guess, but probably simply the census taker's doing.  If we scroll right, we can see that Micaela Cerda actually came over in 1897, so perhaps the Zamora family came in 1899 to join her.

Further inspection of this census reveals that two of Fortunata's siblings and their families are also living at the same location.

Delgado, Benito - head - M - 39
"    Francisca - wife - F - 35
"    Jose - son - M - 11
"    Gregoria - daughter - F -3
"    Covita - daughter (mispelled on this census, should be Jovita) - F - Not even 1 month old yet

And:

Delgado, Francisco - head - M - 27
"    Francisca - wife - F - 27
"    Manuela - daughter - F - 2

We can see both of Fortuanta's brothers came over two years prior to the Zamora family, in 1897.  In fact, the code "PA" under the citizenship column means that Benito Delgado had already filed his first papers on the path to citizenship in the 3 years he had lived in the United States.  Like Juan and Fortunata, he could not speak English, but his son, Jose could.  We can also see that Benito and Fortunata's brother, Francisco, a tailor, could read, write, and speak English as well.

1909 Map of San Antonio, Texas

It should be mentioned that the area in which this family lived in 1900, which is just south of what is now the Historic Market Square, had a very large population of immigrants and was a very popular bohemian-type area at the turn of the century, full of artists, musicians, etc.  Note the occupations of others on this same street in the 1900 Census above: "Sculptor, Poet, Harness Maker, Stone Cutter, Barber, etc... all artisans.  Unfortunately, the more popular a place becomes, the more people that want to live in that place, and sometimes over-crowding results, which simply means there are too many people living in too small an area.  With over-crowding, crime sometimes follows, which is what began to happen to this area by the start of the new decade.  And, as mentioned in historical San Antonio Blue Books, the area around South Concho St and Matamoras St became known as a "red light district."  Luckily, if you find each of the above mentioned families in the 1910 Census, they have all moved away from the area, smartly deciding to move their children away from the situation.

By 1910, it appears Juan and Fortunata had already separated, and she had moved, with her children, north of the Market, onto North Laredo St, right where it bends at 707 North Laredo.  You can find the approximate location in the map above, as Interstate 10 now runs through the approximate area.  (Amazingly, I just found a picture of the actual house.)

Wednesday, April 8, 2015

Who is/are William Thetford's Father/Parents?

If you've found this blog by searching Google for the Thetford family, you may have noticed that I begin my Thetford line with William Thetford and Permelia Sturdivant.  This is because, through all the research I've done up to this point, I've yet to find proof as to whom the true father of my particular William is.

William was a common name in the Thetford family, especially around the time of my William's birth, which was is the 1820s.  But, from the early 1800s to the 1820s, there seem to be a few William Thetfords, whose parentage is a bit confused.

1850 Census for William Thetford - Clark County, Arkansas


Now, based on the 1850 Census for Clark County, Arkansas (above), we can clearly see William and Permelia Thetford living with their children.  William says he is 27, which would make his birth year around 1823.  Also, their oldest child is seven-years-old, which tells us William and Permelia probably married at least seven years previous to this census.  According to Mississippi Marriage archives from 1800-1911, the two actually wed on 1 December 1841, when William was around 17 years old.  Previous to this event, it becomes difficult to tell where exactly William lived, and with whom.

In the 1840 Census for Warren County, Mississippi, there IS a William G Thetford living there.  But this William Thetford was born 12 December 1812 and married Matilda Flowers on 8 December 1830 in Copiah County, Mississippi.  In addition, this William Thetford died on 26 December 1841 in Warren County, MS.

In addition, there is a William M Thetford, who was born 17 March 1809, and died 25 November 1880 in Panola County, MS.  This William Thetford married a Sarah Harriet Minnie Littlefield in Gibson County, Tennessee on 19 October 1828.


Now, according to Thetford researcher, Elaine Randall English:

"...a John Thetford DID give permission for his son William to marry Matilda Flowers and the only John Thetford on the area records appears to be this one...so circumstantial evidence would stand good towards some belief that this is the correct line."

This would seem to prove that John Thetford is the father of William G Thetford.

However, Thetford researcher, James (Jim) M Templeton had this to say say on a Thetford forum in 2008:

"Wiley, Henry and Joe were sons of William Thetford and Permelia Sturdivant.
William Thetford was born c1823 in Kentucky, son of John Thetford and Lydia (unknown).....
Regards, James Templeton, Saint Amant, Louisiana"

As I have not seen Templeton's proof, I am unaware which of these researchers may be correct as to the true parents of the William Thetford who married Permelia Sturdivant.


Names for the possible father(s) of these various William Thetfords include:
1.  Gabriel Thetford - Son of Simon Thetford, grandson of Walter Thetford.
2.  John Thetford - Son of Simon Thetford, grandson of Walter Thetford.
3.  Josias Thetford - Son of Walter Thetford.
4.  Josias/Josiah Thetford - Son of Simon Thetford, grandson of Walter Thetford.
5.  Walter Thetford - Son of Josias Thetford, nephew of Simon Thetford, grandson of Walter Thetford.


All of these Williams seem to belong to the same Thetford family, which makes all of them descendents of Walter and Rebecca Thetford., however, I would love to know the true parents of the William Thetford who married Permelia Sturdivant.  If you have any further information, or would like to add to the discussion, please do so in the comments section.
 

Tuesday, March 17, 2015

James Oscar Norman's Parents

When I first started my own family tree, I figured I was going to be able to trace the Norman family name back quite a ways.  I mean, "Norman?"  Hello?!  It MUST go back to the Norman Invasion of England in 1066, right?  We must be able to trace our roots back HUNDREDS of years to the Vikings!

...ahem...

Well... maybe.

But, so far I haven't been able to take it any further back than my great-great-great grandfather, James Oscar Norman, who was born in 1851 in Missouri... or... somewhere around there.

The biggest mystery with him is simply, who were his parents?  Now, because there are a couple of census records that indicate that J.O. was born in Missouri, there are people online who found a James Norman, who was born in Missouri around 1851, and assumed it was the correct one.  Well, I feel like, based on several pieces of evidence, that this James Norman is NOT James Oscar Norman, but instead, is James Erastus "Ezra" Norman.

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First, in both the 1850 (as seen below) and 1860 Censuses (which I don't have available for upload), George Washington and Eliza (Clay) Norman (the couple many online believe to be the parents of James Oscar Norman) are listed as him being from Virginia and her being from Tennessee.  This follows in line with the information James Ezra Norman provides on his own censuses in later decades. 

1850 Census for George Washington and Eliza Norman - Polk County, MO

The 1850 Census for Polk County, Missouri, as seen above, shows:

George W Norman - 32
Eliza Norman - 26
William Norman - 8
Mary J Norman - 6
Jonathan C Norman - 4
Virginia A  Norman - 0

(James Norman is not yet born)
 
  
And the 1860 Census for Polk County, Missouri shows:

GW Norman - 43
Eliza Norman - 36
William Norman - 19
Mary Norman - 17
Jonathen Norman - 13
Virginia Norman -11
James Norman - 8
Elnora Norman - 0


In 1870, James Ezra Norman and the rest of his family are living in Ralls County, Missouri.  (I do not have a copy of the 1870 Census available for upload.)

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Next, in both 1880 and 1900, James Oscar Norman lists both of his parents (whether accurate or not) as having come from Kentucky, while in 1880, James Ezra lists his parents as being from Virginia and Tennessee and in 1900 as being from Kentucky and Tennessee.

1880 Census for James Oscar Norman - Jack County, TX

As you can see, the above 1880 Census for Jack County, Texas shows:

James Norman - 29
Josiphean Norman - 24
Manirvey Norman - 8
James Norman - 6
John Norman - 2
 
  
Whereas, the 1880 Census for Ralls, Missouri shows (I do not have a copy of the actual census available for upload):

James Norman - 28
Mahala Norman - 22
Fasti Norman - 1m
Lena Norman - 9
 
 
***  Due to a fire in 1921, over 99% of the United States 1890 Census records were destroyed and no longer exist.  ***
 

1900 Census for James Oscar Norman - Jack County, TX


And the 1900 Census for Jack County, Texas, as seen above, shows:

James O Norman - 49
Josephine Norman - 45

George B Norman - 17
William L Norman -14
Minnie V Norman - 12
Jessie W  Norman - 6
 
 
1900 Census for James Ezra Norman - Ralls County, MO

Whereas, the 1900 Census for Ralls, Missouri, as seen above, shows:

J E Norman - 48
Hallie Norman - 52
Fred Norman - 20
Leslie Norman - 15
Marion Norman - 11
James Norman - 10
Orion Norman - 6
Oral Norman - 6

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Arguments for why George Washington and Eliza Norman are the parents of James Ezra Norman, rather than James Oscar Norman:
-  Clearly, based on the 1880 and 1900 Censuses these are two separate James Normans.  In 1900 we see each of their middle initials: "James O" and "J E". 
-  We see that usually James Oscar Norman's birth year is listed as 1851, whereas James Ezra Norman's birth year is usually cited as 1852.
-  We see parents: George Washington Norman and Eliza (Clay) Norman living Polk County, Missouri in 1850 and 1860, and then Ralls County, Missouri in 1870 and 1880, where James Ezra Norman continues living with his wife, Mahala.  Meanwhile, James Oscar Norman is living in Jack County, Texas with his wife.
-  We see James Oscar Norman list his parents as being from Kentucky and Kentucky, whereas James Ezra Norman tends to list his as being from Virginia and Tennessee, which are the same places George Washington and Eliza Norman tend to list themselves as having come from.


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All of this, of course, does not mean that I am 100% correct.  But for me, as much as I'd love to keep tracing my Norman line back to the Vikings, there seems to be enough proof against George Washington and Eliza Norman, that I am going to continue my search for the true parents of James Oscar Norman.


If you have any further proof for or against these potential parents, please let me know.  I am always open to all possibilities.